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Post by slooroo » 1 month ago

So a cult in the news these days is NXIVM led by Keith Raniere. Labeled as a self-help group, a pyramid scheme, and a sex cult all of the above are technically correct. The group enjoyed a lot of financial success from high profile members like actress and heiresses. Most notably people who have seen the news article will know that women were recruited into a secret society in the cult where they were branded with the initial of Raniere and became essentially sex slaves to him.

One interesting fact I learned about NXIVM was through a rather tiny Youtube channel run by a Scientologist of all people who noted that NXIVM's ideas seemed extremely similar to Scientology's. During a recorded phone call he made to the group the representative of NXIVM even admitted the youtuber would already have a leg up to other people who join the group because NXIVM's belief system was so similar to Scientology.

The group operated off a 12 rank system and you knew what rank each person was by the color of a sash they would have to wear. While pricing isn't entirely known one former member noted one class cost about $7500 USD. Another little odd thing is apparently Raniere told many high ranking members of NXIVM that they were high ranking Nazis in a past life. One person was told they were Hitler and another was told they were Heydrich, one of the major architects of the Holocaust. At the same time another member was told they were the leader of a Nazi resistance group.

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Post by Juneberry » 1 month ago

slooroo wrote:
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One person was told they were Hitler and another was told they were Heydrich, one of the major architects of the Holocaust. At the same time another member was told they were the leader of a Nazi resistance group.
I wonder how this would have affected the cohesion of those particular relationships/the group in general? o.o;

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I wonder how this would have affected the cohesion of those particular relationships/the group in general? o.o;
I'm hoping more info will come out over time. Right now though NXVIM is still pretty tight lipped due to all of the lawsuits.

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So when a person thinks "cult" Scientology will often be one of the first mentioned. This is unsurprising due to how high profile they are and their many celebrity members like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and so on. Founded by fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard the group has easily one of the most bizarre histories in cult history. Some little facts:

Hubbard was in the US Navy during WW2 and he told his followers he went on tons of secret missions during the war and was such a huge war hero that played a huge role in the war and even had all of these medals he claimed were from all of the countries thankful for his service. Two issues with this story. The first is Hubbard's actual records show he was a lousy sailor and in fact shot at a Mexican island, Mexico being our ally, thinking it was Japan. This didn't stop Hubbard from claiming all of these amazing feats though that the US Navy denies. He even insisted a 1955 film was about his service on a specific ship which both the director and the writer of the original novel denies. So what about the medals? The issue there is most of those medals weren't handed out during WW2, wouldn't have been given to an American, and often not for anything he claimed he did.

Speaking of Navy most people often know of the Sea Org, the infamous military-religious order of Scientology that makes you sign billion year contracts where even when you reincarnate you're supposed to return to the Sea Org to continue your duties. Everything about it was based on the Navy and I fully feel like it was merely Hubbard wanting to play Admiral. The group does own some ships but these days are mostly on land. In the past however their role was to operate Hubbard's fleet while he hid out in international waters.

Often you'll hear thrown around an infamous quote where Hubbard claimed to get rich you start a religion. The issue there is there is no direct source for this and instead the quote comes from a fellow sci-fi writer who claims Hubbard said it during a meal they had together. While the quote likely fits how Hubbard felt about Scientology it doesn't come from the strongest source.

Speaking of sci-fi writers Hubbard actually was a really popular guy in the sci-fi writer circles of his time. He wasn't lying at all when he claimed the friendship of many famous authors like Asimov or Heinlein. Some of these guys even showed support for Hubbard when he much later on went to write Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth series in the 1980s, decades after his last stories. That said it's arguable how much they enjoyed his works. I know Heinlein really liked Battlefield Earth but most sci-fi writers seemed to remember Hubbard more as the fun guy at the parties. Considering Hubbard was a really charismatic guy I can see why this would be why they'd remember him. On the other hand I've read one short Hubbard book and one of his articles on writing advice. He wasn't really a bad writer and perhaps if he chose to keep honing his craft instead of forming a religion his works could've ranked in the sci-fi greats alongside his peers.

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Post by slooroo » 1 month ago

Figure I'll add some more Scientology facts

The Church of Scientology essentially owns most of the city of Clearwater, Florida. Residents aren't exactly happy about this because the church used front groups to buy up all of the land to hide who they really were when buying it. Clearwater is also where the "superpowers building" is. Essentially Scientology believes once you are so far along in the religion you can actually gain superpowers. Machines in the building are meant to help facilitate the eventual abilities.

Speaking of real estate Scientology owns approximately $400 million dollars of property in just Hollywood alone ignoring their many, many other properties across the world. Included in this portfolio is their own TV network, their own movie studio, their own radio station, special buildings to promote Hubbard's fictional and religious works, and so on. It's said that they paid in cash for all of their properties in Hollywood.

One celebrity that's had controversial ties to the group is the actor Will Smith. Smith claims that he is not a member but can appreciate some of their good works and has donated money to the group's projects. On the other hand ex-member Leah Remini confirms Will Smith's wife is definitely a member and while she can't prove Will is it probably wouldn't be surprising. My pet theory is he probably is but seeing how Scientology affiliation can hurt a Hollywood career in some areas he may be trying to keep quiet about it.

Another humorous celebrity related story is Elvis Presley. Elvis was fond of learning about various religions and had an appreciation for the things he learned from each one. So he actually tried a Dianetics class and when he left the class it's said someone asked Presley what he thought about it and Presley essentially said he thought it was the biggest bunch of bologna he ever heard. On the other hand after his death his wife and daughter joined Scientology although his daughter left recently.

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I've been debating which cult to discuss next on a post and I figure I would expand on Aum Shinrikyo.

Their founder, Shoko Asahara, declared himself to be both Christ and I believe also Buddha. The religion is a weird mesh of Buddhism, Christianity, Chinese astrology, yoga, and other interests Asahara had. I believe they emphasized the Buddhism more than the Christianity but both were there and Asahara quoted from Buddhist texts and The Bible frequently.

Before the group's founding Asahara, not his real name, lost sight in one eye and became almost blind in the other. It was enough to be considered legally blind. He was also a bully in school, notably exploiting students, beating them, and stealing money from them. Once he graduated he turned to Chinese medicines and got in trouble with the law over it due to lacking a license. He fathered 12 children that I know of and wouldn't be surprised if the number is higher.

Asahara as a religious leader claimed to have powers gained from his special statuses, yoga, and meditation. Levitation was a pretty common one the group would advertise.

Advertising was often aimed at college students, many who were unhappy with current Japanese society and the lack of spirituality they found in Japan and the major religions. As I mentioned before they also offered free yoga classes and found recruits that way as well. Their practices are secret but some known things suggest the use of LSD, hanging people upside down for long periods, and shock therapy among who knows what else.

So why the sarin gas attack? Asahara said that a third World War was coming and would be started by the US and the only survivors would be Aum members and Japan would be poised to rule this new world with Asahara as the new Emperor. The thing is, this was a good thing to Aum members and essentially Asahara decided to take a page out of Charles Manson's playbook and speed things up a bit. The attack murdered 13 and Japan theorizes possibly as many as 6000 could've been impacted by the sarin gas. Asahara was recently executed for his murders by hanging.

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Post by slooroo » 4 weeks ago

I decided to slightly rename my thread in order to cover other fringe things I've researched before. So this one will be some random Columbine High School Massacre facts I remember.

Eric and Dylan called the massacre "NBK" after the movie Natural Born Killers, one of their favorite films. Dylan in his writings seems to have ideally wanted to "go NBK" with a girl but with a lack of that he had to settle for Eric. Both were massive film buffs and enjoyed a wide variety of movies, including many international films. They also loved making home movies, some of which are viewable online.

They were both heavy into the 90s PC gaming and internet culture of the time. Eric's favorite game was Doom and he made many Doom WADs, some now lost to time. One of those even being what he considered his masterpiece. Some of his other levels however are out there and completely playable. Dylan was a known hacker who used programs to constantly generate AOL accounts to use and was known for trolling and getting into fights online.

Despite the two being friends it's arguable if the friendship was entirely genuine. Eric definitely constantly referred to Dylan as his best friend but Dylan never seemed to do the same for Eric. Even Sue Klebold, Dylan's mother, in her book notes that while Eric was Dylan's friend she would've never at any point thought of him as Dylan's closest friend.

A popular belief people have is that Eric and Dylan wanted to do nothing more than kill jocks during NBK. While they did kill some who were involved in sports they just attacked people indiscriminately and even let some jocks live including one known for bullying. Another popular belief is they killed people for believing in Christianity. This is also nonsense and the two most famous stories involving this are fake. One girl was asked the "Do you believe in God?" question but wasn't killed.

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Post by slooroo » 3 weeks ago

So today I'll cover a much less known possibly cult but definitely fringe occult group Order of the Nine Angles or O9A.

O9A's origins are very vague, likely intentional by the group itself. Their founder is called Anton Long but it's been argued who Long is and if it's even a single person. Their exact amount of believers are also unknown and has ranged as low as the single digits to as high as the hundreds.

So what exactly is O9A? They are a Satanic organization that prides itself on being the most extreme form of Satanism possible in their view. They are Neo Nazi in nature but also seem to join fringe far left organizations as well. They and their offshoots will often tend to also praise figures like Stalin, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and the Columbine shooters among other things. Perhaps infamously known is their belief that Aryans will conquer the galaxy and the Fourth Reich will be intergalactic in nature. They also seem to believe in Lovecraftian type of gods though it's arguable how serious that belief is.

Covering everything about this group's practices in a single post would be really difficult so I'll note some controversial beliefs. A highly discussed one is their belief in growing spiritually through operating in certain groups and infiltrating them. Suggested groups have included the police, the military, Islamic terrorist organizations, fringe political parties, anarchist groups, and Buddhist monk orders. Their supposed founder formed several Neo Nazi organizations before renouncing Nazism in favor of Islam and joined Islamic fundamentalist groups to promote Osama Bin Laden. In more recent years he renounced Islam and claims to be apolitical now and writes about his new religion based on Greek philosophy and how it's influenced religions like Christianity. Another member of O9A became part of a subgenre of folk music and even was a member of a relatively popular group of the subgenre before it became known that his claims of renouncing O9A were false and was forced out of the group.

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Continuing my O9A Satanic Neo Nazi talk I should note a second important belief of the group. The group encourages their followers to commit crimes in order to experience spiritual growth within the belief system. Murder is a heavily suggested one though the group encourages a lot of premeditation before committing the act. This plays heavily into the first part since essentially they note by joining the police force, military, or extremist organizations your chances to do this is much higher and in the case of the first two you may even have certain legal protections. How many exact crimes have been committed in the name of the group though is arguable. For example Neo Nazi group Atomwaffen Division heavily encourages studying O9A materials for all of their members but could you count any crimes committed by the group being influenced by O9A or not is murkier.

The O9A is also not a structured group in the sense most religions are. There are no houses of worship and while there is some level of organization it seems to be looser. The group compares themselves instead to a subculture where practitioners will read the O9A materials themselves and go through a lot of it alone or with the loosest form of guidance. In fact the internet has probably been a huge blessing to them because it's much easier to share the materials on obscure blogs and torrent sites than it was before. That said there are nexions, or groups of believers, in different areas of the world that followers can align themselves with. The most famous nexion in this day and age is one in the United States called Tempel ov Blood which could warrant it's own posts by itself.

So how does such a group advertise itself? Well it doesn't actively recruit people to join and expects people to come to them. That said they do build themselves up a level of presence, especially now thanks to the internet. There are metal and folk bands affiliated with the O9A as well as artists who create art based on the group's teachings. They also spread their materials through various websites, blogs, social media sites, and so on. Their members will also usually promote their works within other organizations they affiliate with such as Neo Nazi, communist, and anarchist groups.

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Post by slooroo » 2 weeks ago

Well sloo needs to do something until he can sleep again so I shall write up a small post about the Tempel ov Blood, the American nexion of O9A.

So some of the major players behind Tempel ov Blood have had a bit of a colorful career that has been documented by the internet. Starting out in Neo Nazi circles they broke off and formed the Rural People's Party, a communist party that claimed North Korean Juche was the ultimate form of socialism but also revered Jim Jones and Pol Pot. Now a backyard communist party in itself isn't all that interesting, however what it is the group successfully contacted the North Korean government and the DPRK began supplying the group propaganda materials to use and began overseeing the group on some level. This ended up being an issue because another Juche fanboy group in America also had North Korea's attention and the two groups became bitter rivals for who will get to be Daddy Kim's servant the best. Eventually that all blows up and the figures disappear awhile only to return as members of the Hare Krishna movement and setting up their own Hindu sect dedicated to the worship of Kali, the demon who rules over the chaotic period called the Kali Yuga until their eventual defeat by Kaliki, the final avatar of Vishnu. Also somewhere in all of this the two main figures got married at a Pentecostal church and used music recorded by Jim Jones's Peoples' Temple for the wedding.

So now they're the Tempel ov Blood and their ideas while under the realm of O9A does take on some forms of their own. The group highly encourages torture and self-harm and has uploaded videos of themselves cutting their arms with knives and waterboarding each other. They are also prolific writers that includes the fictional book Iron Gates, a post-apocalyptic work filled with over the top brutalities and gruesomeness with the goal of desensitizing the reader to such things in the inevitable race war. They also have all but merged with the Atomwaffen Division, a radical Neo Nazi group dedicated to working as a militia unit and inspired by James Mason, a relatively obscure Neo Nazi thinker.

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