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Post by slooroo » 2 months ago

For today's episode of Fringe Facts by Uncle Sloo I ask you this question. Why has communism never been achieved? If your answer is "Because we haven't asked the communist aliens for help" then you shall be excited to read about Posadism.

Posadism is a subgroup under the larger flag of Trotskyist communism started by J. Posadas, an alias of an Argentinian communist figure. Posadas was a Trotskyist who was a rather minor but influential figure in Latin American communism. Their biggest influence was during the Cuban Revolution where they aided Castro and Guevara in taking over Cuba but quickly fell from grace due to antagonizing the US base in Guantanamo and attempting to print Trotsky literature which led to their ban from Cuba. They have smaller influences in other Latin American countries but overall they're a very tiny group.

So Posadas promoted a few unique aspects to his communism

1. That socialist nations should immediately drop nuclear weapons on capitalist countries to kick start the World Revolution

2. Science is important and should be used to allow humanity to eliminate all misery and primal needs

3. The development of space exploration and the ability for humans to not be dependent on Earth

and the most famous

4. That aliens species currently visiting Earth are pacifist communists who are willing to aid in bringing about worldwide communism, peace, and prosperity if asked

Supposedly Posadas didn't place much emphasis on this himself but his followers went on to make this a huge point in their belief system which has led to some dressing up like aliens and other oddities. It gets even weirder when you even have a tiny Neo Nazi group who was influenced by Posadas so they became National Bolshevik Posadists.

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Post by slooroo » 2 months ago

For today's communism I shall mention the Weather Underground.

The Weather Underground were a far left organization formed on the University of Michigan campus at Ann Arbor. The group was classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization and for all intents and purposes that is accurate. The group became infamous for creating riots then later bombings. These bombings were geared towards government buildings and banks. Notably the Pentagon, Capitol, and Department of the State. Their reasoning for this was to protest the Vietnam War. Needless to say when the Vietnam War ended that hurt their relevance. The group also committed arson and declared war on the United States. They were also in alliance with the Black Panthers. So the weird thing besides how extremely violent they got to the point where even younger members questioned older members who weren't violent enough is that many of the leaders of this group ended up becoming college professors. I guess that means the right wing is halfway right about communist professors. They may not believe Ronald Reagan pardoned them though. The group is still sort of around in a spinoff group but they're definitely not relevant anymore. Most will usually classify their end at around 1985 after an armed robbery members committed. I may write a more detailed post of their exact crimes sometime but I wanted a brief overview today to burn energy.

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A mini episode since this group as far as I know didn't survive long and most information likely isn't translated.

After the fall of the Tsar and the creation of the Soviet Union any remnants of the White Movement that would've included monarchists, fascists, democrats, and so on were extremely anti-Soviet. Needless to say these groups while relatively powerless continued to push for any action against the Soviets from whatever country they called home in typically Europe or America. One interesting group however that was different was the Mladorossi, with the motto "Tsar and the Soviets."

So this motto would seem pretty contradictory. Monarchists were very anti-communist and communists were very anti-monarchist. The Mladorossi were essentially trying to fuse the two into one. They promoted the idea of having a new Tsar return to Russia and this Tsar would also be the leader of the Bolshevik movement, in a sense making the Soviet Union a monarcho-communist state. They believed that this was the best method to strengthen Russia and further cement her independence and growth. However the group was anti-Stalinist and saw Stalin as a hindrance to create this "new Soviet system" and obviously Stalin wasn't fond of them. They also had minor influences from fascism however they never aligned themselves completely with fascism and purged any of their more fascist elements like Roman salutes. Essentially though the group fell apart for I think the following reasons.

1. A monarcho-communist system had zero appeal to a monarchist or communist.

2. A general belief that the NKVD likely controlled the group anyway

3. Bad blood between monarchists and communists would not create a situation of reconciliation

4. Accusations that their leader was a Stalin puppet

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Post by Princess MeowsePad » 2 months ago

Sounds like the group didn't have a whole lot going for it.
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Sounds like the group didn't have a whole lot going for it.
At the time definitely not. Humorously the idea is probably more popular in modern Russia than it ever was in the era the group was living in. The Nazbol/Duginist types usually love both Tsar Nicholas II and Joseph Stalin and love the idea of a Neo-Soviet Union: Nationalist Edition.

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So I feel like writing another fringe fact so today lets discuss the Strangite movement, a once very powerful and influential Mormon sect now almost dead.

So to understand the Strangites first we need to go back to Joseph Smith himself. Smith is in Illinois ruling his church as prophet and seer plus he is also the leading general of Mormonism's own army called the Nauvoo Legion and while someone else is TECHNICALLY the mayor of Nauvoo Smith for all intents and purposes rules the town too. On top of this Smith is also running his own third party Presidential campaign for the United States. So he's a pretty busy guy and he still has time to secretly get married to dozens of women, some of them underaged but according to Smith DEFINITELY not his idea at all and God has an angel with a flaming sword to his neck forcing him to the horror of having marry other women and not be loyal to his first wife Emma. Well ends up Smith's antics get under the skin of a man who decides to air out Smith's dirty laundry in a newspaper. Obviously Smith isn't fond of this and has the newspaper printing press destroyed before the paper came to be released. Well this and other factors lead to Smith being arrested and in turn an angry mob murders both Joseph Smith and his successor his favorite brother Hyrum Smith. So now you have a rapidly growing religious movement whose leader AND successor just died and everything is thrown into utter chaos. Some even think the religion may be over. So now you have a massive power vacuum and various people want control. The most famous Mormon sect is the one people know best, the sect led by Brigham Young who was a powerful figure in the church who decided that the Mormons had no life in the United States and had everyone go to Utah, which at the time was still under Mexico but had basically no population beyond the Native Americans. I may talk about more about this another time because there's interesting facts there alone.

The thing is however Young while the most successful claimant to the throne wasn't the only one. One interesting claimant was a man named James Strang, a relatively new member of the church and not particularly powerful or anything. So why was he influential. Strang had two important things on his side.

1. A letter supposedly signed by Joseph Smith himself that declared James Strang as his successor and as the next prophet, seer, and revelator. This letter has survived and experts believe that the document is fake and likely a forgery. At the time however no one could prove this and it was a very powerful piece of political legitimacy to Strang's claim. So powerful even members of Joseph Smith's own family joined Strang's sect believing it.

2. Strang comes forward with a very bold proclamation. Not only has Smith designated him the successor but God has presented to him new plates, made of brass, that were the ancient Book of the Law of the Lord, a lost Jewish text that contained everything God told Moses on how everything in Israel should operate. This book tells how everything should be done and that the prophet is the king of "God's kingdom on Earth"

Also notable is Strang denied that polygamy was a valid position of the church which proved popular to a huge sect of Mormons unhappy with Brigham Young claiming polygamy was part of the religion openly.

So Strang was so fortunate that many important members of the Mormon faith joined his group. He was in fact the second largest Mormon sect at one point and was only growing. His followers left Illinois behind in favor of Wisconsin but due to land prices being so high Strang declared the kingdom shall be set on an island in Lake Michigan called Beaver Island. Not uncommon to the Mormons however they quickly found themselves in competition with non-Mormon settlers for control over the island. So why the fall of the Strangite church? Two major reasons

1. Remember when I said Strang was the champion for monogamy-only Mormonism? Yeah that went out the window really quick and Strang became a huge fan of polygamy. Problem? Many followers still weren't. Which likely partly influenced:

2. Strang was assassinated by two disgruntled members of the church. On top of this the non-Mormon settlers took advantage of Strang's death and captured every Mormon on the island, forced them into boats, dumped them off in Illinois and Wisconsin, and forcibly took all property from the members.

So much like Smith Strang didn't do too good a job declaring a successor. He always gave the argument that "God will divinely appoint my successor like God appointed Joseph Smith and I." Well ends up God was a bit silent and no one took Strang's place, leaving the church prophetless. It was also profitless because most members lost everything when they were booted off Beaver Island. Also Joseph Smith's son Joseph Smith III forms the RLDS at this time which many Strangites jump ship for since it stays true to monogamy while Strang didn't. As if these things aren't enough the now tiny church splinters into two churches over a relatively minor argument and I know one of the two actually doesn't believe in conversions so don't expect them to knock on your door. So while the Strangites do still exist they are no longer the force they once were and likely in the coming decades will become an extinct religious movement.

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So today let us talk about the cult that became an animal rights group. No this isn't PETA but rather The Process Church of the Final Judgement

So we begin our story with a love story. Two British citizens fall in love in the most romantic of places, Scientology. The woman, Mary Ann MacLean, claimed to have been a high-end prostitute and a girlfriend of famous boxer Sugar Ray Robinson before reaching Scientology while the man Robert de Grimston Moor was in the British military for a time. Well you know that you're probably crazy when Scientology has enough of your shit and Scientology boots both of them. Well both of them absolutely loved Scientology though so they continued with their own organization that slowly transformed into a new religion of it's own. After gaining some followers they end up moving around from place to place like London, the Bahamas, and Mexico before finally landing in California most famously but the leaders went back to Britain. The church began having branches in many different parts of the world and it's believed their membership was in the hundreds before eventually our power duo got into various religious and marital disagreements and the two divorced which splintered in two. Robert's continued on in it's "true" form until he got bored of it and disbanded it, instead becoming an ordinary businessman the rest of his life. Mary Ann on the other turned the church into essentially a Pentecostal church which over time then morphed into an animal rights group.

So what did the Process teach? So in Process there are four gods: Jehovah (strength), Lucifer (Light), Satan (Separation), and Christ (Unification). Each person's personality was either one of these gods or a mixture of two. The goal of the Process was to transform yourself into becoming more like God through strict rules and therapy sessions borrowed from Scientology. None of the four are considered evil but instead aspects of human nature and that the end of the world would be Jesus reuniting the four into one. The "devil" of Process was conforming to the wider world. While Robert did sometimes call Process "satanist" it's not really Satanism in the sense Anton LeVay or any other Satanist would think of it. Due to their strange belief system, secretive practices, and vaguely swastika-like logo conspiracy theories constantly haunted the group and claims of human sacrifice and magic were common claims in the media despite no evidence of this.

So why mention a vague organization that collapsed? The biggest reason most are interested in is the group was in the media that claimed Charles Manson was a former member of the Process. The group denied it and there's no evidence Manson ever was. That said Manson was also a former Scientologist and he was in close proximity to their California location plus Manson was a savvy guy at learning things so it's not unrealistic to say he learned about the Process through methods and incorporated elements into the Manson Family. The Process also has had some light cultural significance from musicians and artists incorporating it into their work. Some former members have also tried to revive the Process but I haven't seen any successful attempts.

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Post by Princess MeowsePad » 2 months ago

Maybe PETA will make themselves into a religion as well. They've already lost the plot. May as well throw another shrimp on the barbie.
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Maybe PETA will make themselves into a religion as well. They've already lost the plot. May as well throw another shrimp on the barbie.
Considering PETA is actually the opposite of helpful to animal rights I really don't think it's absurd to consider them a socio-political cult where the people at the top enjoy the money they make off donations, memberships, celebrity endorsements, and such.

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Post by Princess MeowsePad » 2 months ago

Yeah, PETA has the effect of making animal rights activists look like loons and destroying any sympathy that the public would have for them otherwise. It's sad because there are many animal rights activists out there who are perfectly rational and genuine.
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