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jasony wrote:
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It's baffling Christians - who are supposed to be serving "the creator", are often so opposed to environmentalism.
Sadly in America Christianity, corporations, and neoconservative politics are all tied into one. So if you affiliate with one part you'll affiliate with all three and rarely break the mold. Even mild libertarians like Rand Paul is a massive slap in the face to most Republicans. Really giving up environmentalism to the left wing is one of the dumbest moves the mainstream right wing has made.

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Environmentalism fits more with the left-wing ideology in my opinion. Right-wingers tend to believe that whatever is best for the bottom line of mega-corporations is best for all of us.
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Princess MeowsePad wrote:
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Environmentalism fits more with the left-wing ideology in my opinion. Right-wingers tend to believe that whatever is best for the bottom line of mega-corporations is best for all of us.
Environmentalism fit in fine with right wing politics for a long time. Hell even in the most extreme example Hitler prioritized a lot of environmental projects and some of those laws were innovative at the time. The problem is right wing and big business are married to each other now.

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Hitler wasn't really a right-winger on economic issues, though. He was anti-capitalism. His real extremism was in his authoritarianism (you know, aside from the "genocidal maniac" thing).
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Princess MeowsePad wrote:
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Hitler wasn't really a right-winger on economic issues, though. He was anti-capitalism. His real extremism was in his authoritarianism (you know, aside from the "genocidal maniac" thing).
Well it was right wing just not traditional right wing. Some far right prefer "third position" for that reason. That said the left wing hasn't been perfect for the environment either. The Soviet Union ruined one of the biggest bodies of water in the world.

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Post by jasony » 2 weeks ago

True, Hitler was a third position. In fact, many have noted the term "National Socialist". Well, lefties bring up the fact he killed Communists like a pest control service - but he would do the same to capitalists.

And yes, the Soviet Union were massive polluters - and that's such an irony, considering Communism is supposed to be "the epitome of people's rights" (Note: the name of Peoples Republic of China, Democratic Republic of Germany, lol).

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Well, if you look at what Marx said, he did not believe in environmentalism at all. Environmentalism was something that nobody really thought about during Marx's lifetime. The environmentalism movement didn't really gain any traction until the 1970s.
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jasony wrote:
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National Socialist
The term makes far more sense if you look at the Strasser brothers who Hitler had killed. Hitler's definition involved some nonsense about Prussia.
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Well, if you look at what Marx said, he did not believe in environmentalism at all. Environmentalism was something that nobody really thought about during Marx's lifetime. The environmentalism movement didn't really gain any traction until the 1970s.
I'd slightly argue against that. There were already environmentalist groups even if they didn't refer to themselves as that. The Free Niagara Movement is a great example of Americans coming together to get rid of the tourist traps and polluting factories and attempt to restore Niagara Falls to it's pristine glory as close as possible. Theodore Roosevelt started the National Park Service in the exact belief that the environment was America's most valuable resource and should be saved for future generations. I'm sure similar ideas were around in Europe as well but I'm obviously more familiar with my own country.

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Post by jasony » 2 weeks ago

Hitler was also an anti-smoking activist - which was way ahead of it's time then.

Anyway, the whole mess with Hitler was an outgrowth of The Red Scare - which also affected the US at that time. I mean, the Holocaust isn't a shock, really.

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