The Art, The Artist, and The Ideology

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The Art, The Artist, and The Ideology

Post by slooroo » 4 weeks ago

So as a fan of the fringe and controversial I thought I would bring this thread up. Sometimes a musician, artist, writer, or whatever will have controversial opinions. Does their political, social, religious, etc opinions effect whether you can enjoy the art? I'll give some examples

1. Sci fi writer Orson Scott Card is well known for the novel Ender's Game, a classic in the realm of sci fi. He is also known for what some consider bigoted opinions on the LGBT that he claims is in line with his faith in Mormonism.

2. Black metal is known for having many Neo Nazis as musicians. These musicians are extremely talented and make excellent music. Some of it is open about Nazism, some isn't.

3. On the opposite spectrum you have punk and rap where some are far left communists who are very open about their positive feelings for controversial figures like Joseph Stalin.

Obviously there are more examples than this but you get the idea. Does the personal views of an artist impact your decision to buy or enjoy their art? Some people boycott any artist with controversial opinions, some separate art from artist, and some just don't care. Honestly I'm in the third. If I like the product I can't really make myself care enough about their personal opinions.

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Post by Juneberry » 4 weeks ago

I'm rarely aware of the views of artists I enjoy the art of in the first place. I always focus more on their art than them, which may or may not be a bad thing- I'm not sure. I've met people who can't always look past the bigotry and such and still enjoy the art (namely my dad), but for me... They're very separate things.

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Post by Princess MeowsePad » 4 weeks ago

I think it's problematic when people say, "Oh, you listen to [insert musical artist here]? Oh, you watched [insert movie here]? Oh, you laughed at a joke that [insert comedian here] made? You must endorse [insert objectionable ideology here]!" Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean you endorse every view that its creator holds. I also find boycotts of restaurants and businesses and such to be an exercise in futility. If we avoided everything made by a company that has done something shady or objectionable, we wouldn't be able to do anything. You couldn't even live in a cardboard box because the box was probably made by exploited workers in a country with no minimum wage. Boycotts won't do anything; we need policy changes to make things different.
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Princess MeowsePad wrote:
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I think it's problematic when people say, "Oh, you listen to [insert musical artist here]? Oh, you watched [insert movie here]? Oh, you laughed at a joke that [insert comedian here] made? You must endorse [insert objectionable ideology here]!" Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean you endorse every view that its creator holds. I also find boycotts of restaurants and businesses and such to be an exercise in futility. If we avoided everything made by a company that has done something shady or objectionable, we wouldn't be able to do anything. You couldn't even live in a cardboard box because the box was probably made by exploited workers in a country with no minimum wage. Boycotts won't do anything; we need policy changes to make things different.
Boycotting is ineffective because most people won't stick to it for long. The people who screeched about Chic Fil A or Walmart went there to shop next month after the mainstream media was bored of it.

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slooroo wrote:
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Boycotting is ineffective because most people won't stick to it for long. The people who screeched about Chic Fil A or Walmart went there to shop next month after the mainstream media was bored of it.
I wonder what it's like to be rich enough to be able to boycott Wal-Mart.
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I wonder what it's like to be rich enough to be able to boycott Wal-Mart.
People who screech about boycotting Walmart were probably never using Walmart anyway because they could afford not to.

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Post by Kaunisto » 2 weeks ago

I like to think I can enjoy a painting being aesthetically pleasing and ignore that the signature says Adolf H.
I'll go pretty far to the "separate art from artist" category.

With songs, books and movies (regarding writing, directing, editing etc.) it's a bit different because they can include elements of the ideology or such that I disapprove.
But I have no problem with a film or song for one or more of the makers having killed or raped someone or supporting organization or ideology I find unacceptable.

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With songs, books and movies (regarding writing, directing, editing etc.) it's a bit different because they can include elements of the ideology or such that I disapprove.
I won't necessarily blame someone for not wanting to listen to out and out racist music. For example the biggest Ukrainian black metal band is Nokturnal Mortum which has some nationalist tinged songs but isn't racist. On the other hand certain members were part of a band called Aryan Terrorism and obviously that entire album makes their National Socialist beliefs open. Supposedly the leader of Nokturnal Mortum has changed his views but really it doesn't matter to me. Aryan Terrorism isn't a great band even ignoring the lyrics. Nokturnal Mortum on the other hand has made some beautiful albums. When I was younger I listened to tons of NSBM and just never really thought about the lyrics.

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